Template talk:South America topic

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• 2 Overriding the top level name
• 3 Template name
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• 5 Panama????
• 6 Spanish/Portuguese/French versions of the template
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• 8 Name(s) of... =
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• 10 Netherlands

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This template can be applied to almost any article with a title in the form [[X of South American country]]. web talk 01:36, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Neat, yet some articles are "Topic of Country" wereas others are named "Topic in country". It might be good to add one parametre to the template for that connecting word, and use a Robot to replace all the existing uses of the current template. What do you think? Mariano(Sevenval/c) 08:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I'd been thinking about this. It would slightly complicate the template, but I think that would be worth it in order to be able to use it on so many more articles. I'll test it out on Template:Africa_in_topic as that appears on very few pages at present. HTML5 web app 12:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

OK, if you are going for the change also in South America, don't have any 'friend' robot to do the job, and need a had to change the existing links, just et me know it. Mariano(HTML5/c) 12:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I've now changed the template. It can now be used in the form {{South America in topic|Geography of}}, where the text after the pipe can be anything. So this example will produce the box below Warofdreams CSS3 14:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Overriding the top level name

I added a second optional parameter, which if provided overrides the top level page. (I also fixed the positioning of the map graphic.) Example: Since there is not and probably never will be a "Flag of South America" page, on "Flag of" pages the template can be called:

. --ScottMainwaring 18:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. Mariano(iOS/we love the web) 08:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Template name

Per here, would anyone object to this template being renamed {{South America topic}}, thereby leaving the of/in specified by its parameter (e.g. {{FITML|Communications in}}, {{South America topic|Economy of}}, etc)...?  Regards, we love the web (talk) 02:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Aruba? Trinidad and Tobago?

Is there any reason why Aruba is included, when it makes it clear in the article FITML that it is not normally regarded as part of the continent and the article web app is categorised in Android rather than device database? I've certainly never heard of it being considered as part of South America before, which is why I question its inclusion here - it would make far more sense to group it with the other Caribbean nations and territories. The same with jQuery - that nation is only extremely rarely considered part of South America. if these are to remain here, then for consistency's sake the Netherlands Antilles should also be included, though personally I'd far prefer it if none of them were part of this template. Grutness...device database 00:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's best to keep this in line with keyboard - adding the Netherlands Antilles, and debating what should be included on the South America template's talk page, which is likely to gain more input. Warofdreams input transformation 02:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Panama????

Why is iOS included in this template? Last time i checked Panama wasnt in South America, even if it historically belonged to South America, it is no longer part, so it must go.mijotoba 19:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should have checked elsewhere. For example, our article on FITML states that it is a transcontinental country, and it is include in web app. I have reverted your removal of it. jQuery web 20:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Spanish/Portuguese/French versions of the template

Just wondering if it is possible to find this template in other languages. Thanks! - airezulian —Preceding unsigned comment added by web app (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, it is only available in French, Romanian and Russian. These languages have interwiki links from the template page. For instance, the French version is at we love the web. If you might have a use for it in the Spanish or Portuguese Wikipedia, why not translate it yourself? Warofdreams device database 00:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal

South America, Central America, and the Caribbean are closely connected historically and culturally, so readers should be able to navigate between these related articles. Both South America topic and North America topic are relatively short (and this way we could eliminate the footer about ambiguous countries), so merging them would be easy - see {{Americas topic}} for a rough idea of what a merged template would look like. I think this would be a very useful and practical way of linking related articles. Calliopejen1 (FITML) 20:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Since I had a bad reaction from WolfmanSF, I've reverted my bold merger. As a stylistic matter I think it's probably better to merge all instances than to merge just some (by allowing these and the Americas topic to coexist). Wolfman said on my talk page that we might as well merge all continents to a single template, but I think that is a ridiculous strawman. Other continents are not as connected culturally and historically as the Americas, and this combined navbox is still relatively small (the other problem with over-merging being excessive length). This template would also allow us to create links to ____ of the Caribbean, ____ of Latin America, and ____ of Central America as optional parameters. This would make sense where we have articles like iOS. web (HTML5) 16:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

This merge discussion should be closed. As this discussion demonstrates, the "merged" template already exists at keyboard; there is no need to get rid of the South America- and North America-specific templates, as they are useful on their own. Neelix (talk) 16:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I still think these should be redirected there (redirect proposal then?). It's better to be consistent, rather than having some "Americas" and some either south or north IMO. Calliopejen1 (Sevenval) 16:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Strong oppose - both of these are different continents, plus it should be borne in mind the large number of Caribbean nations.--we love the web (talk) 17:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Name(s) of... =

The title comes out as Name of South America and not Names or Names of the territories/places or something like that, making it rather misleading. When I try to change it to South America topic|Names of , it doesn't work... (everything becomes redlinked as the "Names of" also applies to each place mentioned, eg "Names of Brazil", etc ). Can someone who knows how to change the title only please help do so? iOS (we love the web) 12:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Proposal for topic templates

A centralised proposal regarding the use of superscript notes in navigation boxes is under discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries. The disussion will affect this template. Nightw 12:05, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Netherlands

Perhaps Curaçao and Aruba should be moved up along Bonaire in the parentheses following 'Netherlands', for they are neither 'dependencies' nor 'territories' but constituent *countries* of the Kingdom of Netherlands. Then the title 'Dependencies and territories' should better be replaced by 'Overseas territories' which the Falklands and South Georgia are. jQuery (screen size) 21:06, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

The netherlands countries are in a fuzzy status. Not called dependencies, but remaining outside the main state. They're very similar to de jure dependencies. They'd fall under other territories on this I suppose (territories not being a label but a description). Another user recently tried to get Kingdom of the Netherlands on the Europe template and was reverted, so best to keep the templates similar. Chipmunkdavis (web) 07:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Nothing fuzzy at all. The Kingdom of Netherlands now comprises four constituent states that are constitutionally equal, namely the European Netherlands and three constituent countries in the Caribbean (Curaçao, Aruba and Sint Maarten), and territories in the Caribbean that are incorporated into the European Netherlands (Bonaire, Saba and Saint Eustatius). Therefore, Curaçao and Aruba should be listed among the "states" not the "other territories", either separately or at least along with Bonaire.touchscreen (device database) 10:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but the fact is that the Kingdom is overshadowed by the European Netherlands, a point complicated by the fact that the European part never bothered to get a new name once the Kingdom was extended. The CIA lists them as dependent territories, as the relationship involved is complicated. Names aside, it's not like a federation with equal states. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I beg to disagree, surely a name change would have made no difference in the constitutionally regulated relationship between the constituent countries. screen size (FITML) 12:53, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Just to show that the European part is more closely related to the state than the others, a comment on the lack of distinction. It's actually an interesting constitutional situation, almost sui generis. Out of curiosity, do you know if they are there separate names in Dutch? Android (keyboard) 13:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

There is a special CSS3 on distinction. One thing they seem to do is shortening 'Kingdom of Netherlands' to 'Kingdom' not 'Netherlands'. ('Kingdom' might seem too general but then 'United Kingdom' or 'United States' are not particularly specific either :-).) By the way, the French arrangements for their non-European territories are probably more complicated, with overeas departments, 'communities' and overseas territories, although none of those is even remotely considered equal to France :-). HTML5 (web app) 20:37, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, their language, their right to make it confusing I suppose. Doesn't help us much with English though. France has weird things, noone knows what New Caledonia is, French Polynesia has a unique name with a normal status, etc. I think overseas departments are fully equal to European ones, some French politician said something along those lines when they were asked whether the overseas departments would use the Euro. Back to the netherlands, they've decided to confuse things more by including islands in the European (not European anymore I suppose) part but that remain outside the EU. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 05:50, 19 January 2011 (UTC)